Letter to Conservatives
I didn’t write this, but I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Thank you, Karen.
I’m going to discuss this when I guest-host the Leslie Marshall Show tonight at 7 pm ET.
(I’ll be hosting Thursday and Friday at 7 pm ET as well.)
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I have a very, very conservative brother. (Actually–full disclosure–I have two. And a father. I don’t know what is wrong with the men in my family.) 🙂 The brother in question owns his own business down in Florida, and my son, in his mid-twenties, has been having difficulties finding a job (like everyone). I had never asked before, but I decided to impose upon my brother to see if he might be able to help, though I doubted if, in today’s economy, he would.
In his response (negative, of course), he took the opportunity to make some pretty blunt statements about “the mess that your president has made of the country’s economics.” He went on to say,
I only wish that someone in the administration at sometime had enrolled in a college course of Economics 101… Apparently, they all studied “Greek Economics†instead…
He closed by inviting me to “vote conservative please” in the midterms. I do not usually engage any of these men in political discussions because it is usually the verbal equivalent of repeatedly hitting my head into a granite wall, but this time I just couldn’t help it. Follow me below the fold to see my response.
Hi, Greg,
I seem to recall that the current economic disaster began and in fact grew to its monstrous size under your President, whose policies were so short-sighted and reckless that he managed to turn a several billion dollar surplus into a near total economic collapse in eight years. The TARP was his program, a last minute bailout of his buds on the Street who had treated the money entrusted to them by the middle class as their own private casino funds, bet it all again and again in speculative endeavors that even they admit were absurd, and–gee whillikers!–ultimately collapsed under their own artificially propped up weight.
You may certainly disagree with Obama’s Keynesian approach to resolving the problem, but if you examine what is happening in the economy today there is little doubt that it is working. Not as quickly as everyone would like it to work, certainly, but then it took a very long time to create this mess, so fixing it in a little more than a year is and always was highly unlikely.
Still, let’s see what Obama has presided over thus far, shall we?
When he came in, the stock market was in free fall.
Today, it has completely recovered and is setting records.
When he came in, the American auto business was in danger of becoming extinct.
Today, Detroit may not be thriving, but the Big 3 are alive and well and looking to the future.
When he came in, Bush had paid out $700B in TARP money.
Today, all but $100B or so has been repaid.
When he came in, the nation was bleeding jobs, losing them at a pace that seemed assured to land us in another Great Depression.
Almost immediately, after passing the Recovery Act, the bleeding lessened. Every month of his administration, it has continued to lessen. Then, in December, the economy began producing jobs. Every month since then it has produced more jobs than the month before, with over 200K produced in April alone.
He has managed to accomplish something that Presidents have been trying to do since Teddy Roosevelt: get Congress to adopt a national health care policy that regulates the insurance industry and guarantees coverage without recision. It is not enough, but it is a start.
He has removed the banks as middle men in the student loan industry for the first time since Reagan put them there. Do you know when college education costs started skyrocketing? I’ll tell you: the Reagan administration. Hmmm… Again, it’s not nearly enough, but it’s a step.
Despite being fought tooth and nail by opposition whose only cohesive policy appears to be “say no to everything Obama wants,” he seems to be making headway against most of the big issues that faced him when he came into office. If the GOP would stop playing politics and start (oh, I don’t know) trying to govern, we could be well on our way not only to recovery but to a truly remarkable time in America. But the GOP would rather foster unrest and encourage anger and hatred and doubt than do anything positive at this point in their existence.
Truly, that’s too bad. When I look at the sorry state of the Republican Party right now, I just feel sad. It has been taken over by its worst elements. You ask me to “vote conservative”? I don’t think I could if I even wanted to. True conservatives are hard to come by in this charade of “tea party” extremists. When Bob Bennett gets kicked out of the Senate by his constituents in Utah for not being “conservative” enough, the world is out of whack. When Charlie Crist and Arlen Spector can’t find a place any longer within the GOP, something is seriously wrong with the party of Lincoln. When John McCain has to stoop to picking Sarah Freaking Palin as a running mate to appease the ultra right wing knuckle-draggers in his own party and then agree to allow her to foment vitriol in rally after rally to the extent that things got so out of control that even he had to step in at one rally and set his voters straight, someone has lost all sense of propriety. When the party becomes the home of bigots and birthers and men who show up to Presidential rallies wearing weapons, sanity has left the building. When the State of Maine, which usually remains somewhat above the lunacy and which has (to its credit) the only two moderate Republicans still allowed to roam free, loses its collective mind and issues a political platform that is so utterly (as one writer put it) “batshit crazy” that at one point it actually demands that the State of Maine officially oppose any attempt to create a one-world government, the whole party has officially come unhinged. Talk about giving in to the conspiracy theorists. Why don’t they just mandate tin-foil hats?
The thing is that conservatism, true conservatism, is needed in this country. Just as yin needs yang, as dark needs light, as up needs down, so liberal needs conservative. Everything requires balance. Bush proved that. When the Dems were rolling over and playing dead, acquiescing to everything he asked for in his first term instead of using the fact that his majorities were slim to negotiate better bills, Bush rode roughshod over the Constitution, deceived us into an immoral and very costly war, became the king of the unfunded mandate, and spent years rewarding the richest people in the land and ignoring everyone else so that, just before everything went to hell, the gap between executive and worker pay was by far the largest it had ever been in history. The rich got richer and richer and the middle class and the poor could not make ends meet.
These were his legacies, Greg. His legacies, not Obama’s. Because he was a neocon, not a true conservative. I do not agree with conservatism, as you are well aware. But I respect it. It is honorable and sincere and those who believe in its philosophies truly have the best interests of America in mind when they run for offices under conservative banners. But the neocons? Uh uh. History will record–if they have not started us on an irreparable path to our own national destruction–that they were one of the greediest and most self-righteous groups of leaders ever, that their hypocrisy was matched only by their amorality, and that they presided over the systematic and intentional undermining of a system of checks and balances that had been in place since the Great Depression which, once gone, unleashed a torrent of cash into their coffers and aggressively destroyed the economy for everyone else.
Sadly, there would be no place in today’s GOP for any GOP President in American history save Bush and (maybe) Reagan. Pappy Bush would never make it. Nixon? He’s practically a liberal. Ford? Forget it. Ike? No way in hell. Do you what the taxes were like under Ike? The highest progressive tax rate was 90% for the income in the highest margins. 90%. Imagine that! And what did the poorest pay? Nothing.
Communist!
Where is the party of these Presidents? Where is the party of William F. Buckley? Where is the party of Russell Kirk? Hell, Barry Goldwater, who was considered so outrageously conservative in 1964 that Lyndon Johnson’s voters actually believed the “daisy ad,” would be in the Democratic Party today. William Safire defined himself as a “libertarian conservative”; is there even room for that in today’s GOP?
This GOP has earned its “Party of No” moniker. John Boehner’s office actually began circulating templates opposing Obama’s SCOTUS nominee with “INSERT NAME” on them, the templates proclaiming (basically) the downfall of civilization as we know it if this nominee (whoever it happened to be apparently was unimportant) gets through. Despite the fact–the fact–that Obama has, from the outset, reached out to them time after time after time, angering his own constituents in the process by (in the opinion of many on the left) giving away the store before negotiations even start just to show his good faith, the GOP insists on maintaining the lie that he refuses to include them in anything. The health care bill is chock full of Republican ideas, but all you heard from them was “he’s shoving it down our throats.” The first thing Obama did in the Recovery bill was to agree to tax cuts despite the fact that Keynesian economics tells us that they are utterly counterproductive because it would, he thought, bring the GOP to the table. In the final Stim Bill, there were I think almost $200B in cuts. My taxes were lower this year; were yours? A study just today says that we are being taxed at the lowest rate since Truman. Good Lord! What does anyone have to complain about the job the government is doing with the little we are still giving them?
Don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to give them more. I can’t afford to. But I’ll tell you what: unlike the idiots who took the Washington Metro to anti-government rallies to chant against all taxes and government interference in their daily lives (“but keep your hands off our Medicare!”) and then bitch about the long waits to get back home on the (government-run) trains, saying that someone should have put more cars on duty for the rallies, I understand what I am paying for. I am paying for the infrastructure of this nation. Much of it is old and crumbling and in desperate need of repair, and, yes, in need of our tax dollars to make those repairs happen. But I wouldn’t be driving on interstate highways with excellent police protection to places that won’t burn down because fire codes are strictly enforced where I can eat healthy food that I know won’t kill me because health codes too are enforced (and I could go on) if it were not for those tax dollars. That’s just the truth. And I for one would not wish to do without any of these things. And, seeing the excellent job that the banks and the insurance industries have done of keeping college and health costs down through good old fashioned capitalistic free enterprise, and watching the way Wall Street has consistently screwed the middle class while padding its pockets, even during the current crisis–even while taking taxpayer handouts!–I think I’d rather have the government in charge and take my chances.
(Oh, and before you say “but Medicare is a shambles,” just stop. It’s not. It’s just underfunded. Thank you, Bush tax cuts. There is a reason those tea partiers are holding those “hands off my medicare” signs, and it isn’t because they like crappy health care.)
I don’t usually bother trying to get you to see “my” side of the political argument, Greg. Frankly, it’s not worth it. You are an amazingly smart guy, but you’ve spent too many hours watching Fox News and believing that you are seeing something that actually is true. Heck, I think Rush Limbaugh has even begun to believe the garbage he spews into the ether, and he was perfectly willing to admit several years ago that he is, first and foremost, an entertainer. (FWIW, I don’t think that Ann Coulter believes a word she says. I think she is a huge hypocrite saying whatever she thinks will sell books, and she’s found a ready audience on Fox. She’s become such a caricature of herself that she simply cannot be taken seriously and, unlike Rush, she never was an entertainer, so there’s no excuse.)
But anyway, for whatever reason, I just thought I’d give this a shot, even if it falls on the deaf ears I suspect it will. You think I have swallowed Obama’s Kool-Aid and I’m just echoing the party line, but I’m not. It’s the Fox News types, the Tea Partiers, who have swallowed the Kool-Aid, and it really is poison. As for me, well, I question Obama all the time. I’m very unhappy with the fact that Guantanamo is still open, for instance. And I am deeply disturbed by the fact that he has not issued an Executive Order–as would be within his authority–halting execution of DADT until Congress can eliminate it. I think that at least one of these SCOTUS nominees should have been a flaming liberal; Bush did not hesitate to appoint ardent conservatives. I also think he appeases the GOP too much, especially when they have shown again and again that they are utterly unwilling to compromise in any way. My feeling is that he should just say “screw it” and use his Democratic majorities to forge powerful left-leaning legislation, just as Bush did on the other side with far smaller majorities (and even with a Senate tie): if the GOP doesn’t want a part in things, the heck with them. But he continues to be a statesman despite everything. And you know what? After eight years of having a class clown as President, I sort of like that.
I do hope that you have read this thoughtfully and recognize that I am, though unabashedly liberal, ardently in favor of a strong, thoughtful, rational opposition party. At this moment in time, the GOP is not that party. I fear that it is heading down a road from which it may not be able to recover for a very long time, if ever. When the Democrats were in a similar position–hijacked by their fringes–in the early 70’s, they turned inward, re-examined their priorities, and ended up nominating Jimmy Carter. You’ll argue that he was a disastrous President. I have two responses: first, it was circumstances, not policy, that caused the problems of the late 70’s, and anyone in the White House at that time would have been in the same boat. He was tremendously unlucky and, distrusted by the still very active fringes of the party, received little support in Congress. Second, because of the above, he lost in 1980, setting in motion both the ensuing twelve years of Republican rule and the rise of the neocons, which ultimately led to Bush and the near-destruction of the American economy. A party hijacked by its fringes fails. Even winning the Presidency in 1976 became a failure for the Democrats because those fringes within their party refused to let Carter govern, aligning themselves again and again with the GOP across the aisle. So the fringes caused what amounted to two decades of disaster for the party.
And I hate to say this, but the Democrats on the fringe, though clearly outside of the realm of political reality, stood for something morally good. They stood for basic human dignity and welfare, for equal rights for everyone, for helping those in need. What does the fringe of the right today stand for? Hatred and distrust. Hatred of Obama, hatred of gays, bigotry, anger, distrust of government, lack of faith in even the evidence right before their eyes that Obama is in fact a US citizen. I am worried that a party that gives in to this kind of fringe will implode, never to return. A new second party will emerge, perhaps the Libertarians, who are in a good position, but it would be a shame.
Abraham Lincoln is often cited as the standard bearer of the GOP. They like Teddy Roosevelt too. And Ike. But these guys would not recognize the party of today. And they sure as heck would not want to be a part of it.
But that’s OK: they wouldn’t be welcome if they did.
Karen
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/11/865605/-vote-conservative-my-response-to-a-right-wing-brother
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Alan June 3, 2010 1:10 pm
Robt.
What time zone were you in check the facts Clinton economic policys were dropping the “surplus” when he went out of office.Most of his “great” economy was because of the dot.com bubble and the housing bubble. so as I said they did not last and it had nothing to do with Bush when they went boom.
I’m not telling you anything about about these terrorists except they are now being charged with having WMDs what the hell is that did Obama change the whole meaning of WMDs to suit his own agenda, I agree they are charged correctly but use the terminology the same for each party.
Nobody said that the economic problem didn’t happen under Bush What I said is you or no one else can put it all on him as it was started before him. Congress and Obama did nothing with the 2 years the Dems had control of both houses. Could Bush make laws for those two years without help from the Dems. Did they do anything to stop the problems?
Again you bring up the “party of no”. Did you watch any of the CSPAN coverage? Did you see EVERY amendent presented by any GOP member get voted down. I did. Did you see any Repubs. in the room with Reid and his cohorts when they wrote the bill? Nope. they are shot down at every turn on every bill the Dems present and then are called the party of no. well then the Dems should be the party of we don’t care what anyone else wants.
Show me any “things ” Sarah Palin made up. And she has NEVER said hate Obama. You sound like that ass that moved in next to her. He has nevsr said 1 kind thing about her, written only negative articles about her, admits he is writing a negative book about her and expects her to except him with open arms as a neighbor.
You can’t make up you mind first you question using private security as not cheaper then say it would be cheaper?
VA? Go back to Clinton it was cut the same time as the military cuts. Again in the 2 years the Dems had control did they do anything to correct the problems. You and others seem to think Bush had all the power to do everything. Obama has a majority control of Congress.
The GOP did not discredit the CBO when they did not agree, what they said was when the CBO has all the facts and does a complete study the quick figures they reported would show the Dems were wrong. Which they did, the total is now over a trillion. And quality of care and services will be cut for seniors as per Dept of Human Services.It will cost those who pay for the insurance more and not cut the deficit. All facts supported by Govt. info.
I also served in the military under 2 president JFK and Johnson you know the one who put us in Vietnam and the one who increased our involvment. So don’t play the terrible war mistake card with me. And believe me I will never forget ANY veteran.And I remember when most of our Democratic congress were the same people who spit on me when I came home and were mostly potheads( but didn’t inhale) protesting.
I’m not going back except to answer your questions. And after 15 months of Obama and 38 months of Democrat control it’s time you and Obama quit blaming Bush, Reagan, or any one else. And how do you know if any of what Bush did succeeded or failed? most of Bush’s policies were stopped by Executive order the day Obama was sworn in. Or do you forget that was one of the big media stories. How he had all his people serving notice at that exact time. Any other thing you wish to call Bush’s was enacted on and passed by the Congress including TARP, the wars, the budget,etc. as it is with Obama. Which of Obama’s bills past and put in action are paid for. And as of now they don’t even have a budget presented and voted on. It was supposed to be done by the 1st of April. So don’t bring up Bush, answer the same question about the present. Not the Healthcare CBO when fully completed said no,not paid for.
What do you think I am trying to do? I want people to quit making excuses for Obama and make him do the right thing. But he seems to have a hard time getting away from the Chicago way of politics. Now you have a Dem Congressman saying he was offered a job to not run against Spector. And another one today who just came out with the same type offer to not run. Both orginating in the White House.
See you are putting words in my mouth. I have never said or even infered he was anything like Hitler, or a Nazi or any other derogatory name. I think he is exactly what he appears to be. Someone with no experiance and very poor advisors who have a left wing agenda. They want to make the US a total welfare state like Greece, Italy and the rest of Europe. And we see how well they are doing.How will that be paid for.
Go back and look at your post how many lines did you have blaming Bush or Reagan? How many lines did you have answering any of my questions or proving me wrong?
Robt May 20, 2010 5:30 am
Alan,
My intent of the questions above your last (which you coose to dodge answering by telling me I should c”come back” to the discussion was prompted by your quick and early response of the Letter to Conservatives.
Quoting you,
” The surplus was already on it�s way out when Bush took office do to Clinton policy and imaginitive reporting, that is a fact the Dems will lie about every chance they get.”.
So what time zone were you in?
Are you telling me the last eight years of Bush and Conservatives running both houses of Congress, the Executive bracn and the SCOTUS was the Emerald City?
Did you vote for Bush both times?
Before you begin reading my mind and telling me how liberal I am understand, Just starting with President Reagan,
I voted Reagan the first term and against him the second term because the first term he showed me enough. I voted for President Bush Sr but Clinton got elected. I voted for President Clinton his second term because he was directing a decent economy amoung other issues.
I voted against President Bush Jr his first term because of what he disoplayed during election and voted against Bush Jr his second term because he was even worse than I thought of him the first time and he proved how poor his governing ablities were. This last election I looked at McCain and he looked worn and tired. Hell, he fell asleep during the campaign while at his own party’s President was giving the STATE of the Union address right there on the TV. Then he choose Palin (or she was picked for him) Look at her now and tell me she would have been good for America?
That left Hillary or Obama. Obama is fresh, smart, ambitious, energetic, a Reader and thinker. But he was a centrist pragmatist. That meant he would disapoint the left and confuse the right. I was content with that from the choices. More than content from what we experienced from the “Decider”.
And just for the questiong of patriotic sake, I served in the military under 3 Presidents. Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton.
So I know first hand how it is under the military with differnt President and I tell you this because I am weary of conservative republicans questioning my patriotism when I question Bush Jr when two years after 9/11 he decided the best response to 9/11 was to invade Iraq. A country that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack. But he held hands with the Saudi Prince of a country that 15 of the 19 9/11 attackers were from.
No I won’t forget the past as I won’t forget those who killed fighting in Iraq in our name. Go ahead and forget so you may make the same mistakes over again. Not me.
I don’t understand how you find these terrorists to go on trial some sort of republican/conservative political game of “Gush was right”?
Your going to have to explain that one so other people can understand what your getting at?
I haven’t the time to debate the Health care but I will say that what we were spending as a nation before and the rate of price hikes in health care was spiking like a man talking to his doctor for having an erection still after 48 hours after taking viagra. America’s health care was about to exceed its limits in our GDP. If health care takes 50% of GDP, and war is 30% of GDP and energy is 20% of GDP then where is the rest of America’s money to go out to dinner or buy a car? Figure it out. If the free market was going to address all of the failures of our past health care system it was sure taking its leasurely time about it while those insurance execs where getting so confused on which of there multiple yachts they were going to go out on.
As far as I am concerned, medicare advantage can go Bye-bye.
that saved an estimated 14% that was paid out over the normal average cost of regular old Medicare.
Yes the economy is Obama’s problem now. Even after he took the Bush’s war(s) borrowing and put them on his Budget. I think Bush’s TARP os now part of Presidents Obama’s economic concerns now even though Bush did it. Remeber, Bush didn’t budget much nor did he care for pay as you GO. If I were Bush, instead of giving two tax cuts during 2 wars while funding those wars via emergency war supplemental bills and borrowing the money not scheduling payment with interest. That is how Obama got into alot of his debt. We can only wait and see how the health care cost(s) turn out. Remember also, republicans should have participated in legislating the health care instead of playing MR NO. Their job as republicans are to represent and govern just as much as the Democrats are. We pay them to resolve and such not to sit on the pitty potty and stink.
Hoefully health care will be revisited for some fixes that should have been put in place from the start which can make it more cost effective.
It is odd that you site the CBO now as a republican. You are conservative aren’t you? Because the the right was discrediting the CGO when it impacted health care reform favorable but applaud the CGO when the CBO had unfavorable number for health care. Gee, how does that work?
I am so very sorry that you are “so tired of people like me who can’t defend answers reverting back to blaming Vush”
So tired of people like me?
This is like Sarah Palin saying how Chritiany she is and going on the campaign trail telling you to hate Obama for things she made up. Just to win an election. Why didn’t she ever talk about “praying for him”?
Sometimes you have to go back to know how you got here. Gong back to bush Jr to understand the economic mess we are in. The economy didn’t collapse under President Obama? Or is that what FOX’s hen house of cluckers are saying today?
Look, I’m not all cuddly over president Clinton and his NAFTA for one.
Most republicans now days tell me their either A conservative or Tea Partier but not republican. Although that is the only way they can vote. (if there is an “R” in front of a name). No they’re not republican, they are conservatives and they insist loudly that president George Bush the guy they voted for in 2000 and 2004 was NOT a conservative.
Right?
When it comes to President Obama blaming. He should point out much of how he know of how Bush got to what he has to deal with and tell us often. You still haven’t accepted Bush’s accomplishes. As failed as they are to this day. Bush proved free markets, Trickle down, uninterested Gov’t, theology and corporatism doesn’t work in democracies.
yet again, your tired of people like me that can;t defend answers and you end above saying bring it on.
It was brought to your door step in my first post.
Answer the questions?
Which of theose in my first post were paid for and budgeted?
Bush is history Alan. Just not quite the history a loyal republican/conservative was seeking. Bus is Reagan on steriods. And Reagan sold TOW missles to our enemy Iran and Reagan “Cut and Ran” from Leggonnan. Reagan the God, Reagan the masterful, Ronaldous Magnus Reaganous the great.
I am sure you will go back in history for Reagan. You have to if your a republcan conservative.
Although I was seeing troubles early on with Bush, I wasn’t even playing the poitical hack sheep follower of Bush. and looking the other wayor ignoring it all because we are OK and safe because a REPUBLICAN was president.
Unlike you I intend to do what I can to hold President Obama’s feet to the fire.
You know, I I heard Obama is going to ban fishing in America. And he is really Hitler reincarnated.
Not really! I was just trying tto make you feel at home.
Alan May 18, 2010 10:44 am
Robt It’s time to stop blaming Bush. He is gone and PAST, the only point I will make if the Attorney General and the Head of Homeland can now say and charge the NYC car bomber and the underwear bomber with possessing “WMD’s” I guess Bush wasn’t wrong about Iraq.
So come back and defend the Obama and Democrat policy that is taking place NOW
Extra $115 billion for the cost of the healthcare bill that makes it over a TRILLION, cuts to senior care, higher insurance cost to individuals, cuts to quality of care, all things plus more now reported by the CBO and Dept of Health and Human services.
I’m so tired of people like you who can’t defend of answer questions reverting back to blaming Bush. Thats Obama’s porblem he always wants to blame someone else. So bring it on.
Robt May 18, 2010 5:11 am
I reserve the right to comment at a latter date. But this definately requires some commenting and after Alsn’s rebuttle.
What was paid for and on Bush’s budget?
-NCLB?
-Bush’s tax cuts while borrowing for 2 wars?
-Afghanistan Wat?
-Irag War?
-Creation and implementation of Homeland Security?
-The creation of TSA that the Gov’t can provide security to a private (for profit) Airline industry at tax payers expense?
-Medicare Part D?
Cheney’s secret energy policy?
-TARP?
(Just a few items to open debate)
Then there are many other issues as;
-Not funding the VA knowing the injury survival rate of our troops in Iraq?
-Was Blackwater, Kaki, Triple Canopy really more cost effective than our actual military?
-Was it cheaper to use Marines to secure embassies than private contractors?
Of course the Brilliance of our President was the essence which the decider felt that the best response 2 years after 9/11 was to invade a country as Iraq.
Of course Bush also covered other principal territory with Iraq other than WMD and Al Qaida connections. He also decided it was the obligation of every single tax paying American to pay for Iraqi’s freedom and Halibuton towels that normally cost $3.00. But because haliburton was a NO Bid Contractor, They found that having their company name (Haliburton embroidered on these towels for our troops in harms way. With said name on the towell they were able to charge $60.00 per towel provided to the troops. at a time the troops could not be provided with the protective and gighting gear they needed so direly.
Let’s keep in mind Bush’s shrewed deal with India where he traded palmegranites for Nikes. America really made out on that deal.
I’ll be back…………………
Alan May 12, 2010 9:34 pm
Mark may I contest Karens statements one at a time.
The surplus was already on it’s way out when Bush took office do to Clinton policy and imaginitive reporting, that is a fact the Dems will lie about every chance they get. The same as the cost of the Healthcare bill.which now that the CBO has had the time to complete the study found that it will not cut the deficit, health care costs will go up.services will be cut to seniors and all those stated will not be covered. Obama also was just as much to blame as any other person in Congress or the Whitehouse as he was a Senator and voted for the TARP and all the bailouts, He also had Bush have a $17 billion slush fund passed so he would have money for futher bailouts when he came into office. When he came in the stock market had already been started whith bailouts the he also voted for. And as happened in the past the market has been in free fall and recovered on its own, so that would have happened without any other help.
The auto companies should have been able to work out the problems without Obama taking over GM. Ford did they refused the money and are the leader now. GM is still having problems and Chrysler may still go bankrupt. Main problem to much union power. How much did the auto bailout cost the tax payers even if they didn’t buy a car? How many cars were bought that may be repossed due to job loss.
Show me the jobs that he has created. He saved 120 jobs at a cost of $1billion in one of the cities. The Federal Govt. is the only one hiring at any large amount of people. He just counted the Cencus workers as jobs created even though they are temporary. Thats some more Obama math. Even his web site was a bunch of false info. He said that it was all just a mistake, but it didn’t get corrected. The job loss is still at 9.8% really it’s closer to 13% but again voodoo math you can’t count those who are no longer able to collect or have given up.We are still loseing jobs just less then last month. New jobs are less then lost jobs each month but to listen to the Whitehouse things are getting much better.
Your national healthcare was passed not by a normal vote but by an under handed vote that Obam and Reid both railed against before it suited them. They had the super majority and could’nt get it passed and as I said before Now it has been reported by the CBO and Dept of Health and Human Services that it will cost more for healthcare seniors will have their services cut and it will not cut the deficit. Rationing will occur do to not enough Dr.s All things that were questioned by the Repubs. and denied by the Dems. What else is going to be discovered?
GOP saying no? Well when has the President or the Dems tried to REALLY include the GOP in any of their bills? If you watched CSPAN you would see the Dems vote no to every GOP amendment or bill brought. No bi-partison movement of any kind. Nancy Pelosi said it best when she first got there as Speaker.”Now is the time for us to do what we want” but yet she still spent most of her first 2 years trying to figure out who she could prosecute.
The Gov. takeover of the College loans maybe good I still have to see how much it changes the way loans are given out and the problems that it creates. As nay Govt. run program the red tape will be deep and wide. Just like the census I filled in the papers mailed them in and they just called to go over all my answers.” To verify them”. Well Duh. Hmm college costs going up, why? Salaries, benefits, new technology, new buildings. Any of that sound likley? The Congress just gave every Federal employee a 2% raise. Most people in the private sector have not seen a raise in 2 yrs or more.
Your views on the GOP are typical Democrat, that I can tell just by your pouring your heart out to Mark.
Police protection? Nope as Mark and the rest of the Libs like to point out they are to busy being racist, and doing profiling to be any good. they don’t have time to protect anymore.
Lets see “Batshit crazy” your term. Nancy Pelosi calling anyone who disagrees with her views is lets see” unpatriotic ,unAmerican and Nazis” Standing at a mic and saying we have to pass the healthcare bill to see whats in it.
The President saying we have to spread the wealth around or that there comes a time when you have made enough money. How about him also saying that anyone who didn’t want to give extra must be unpatriotic.
Hatred I can’t see any more hatred on the right then you have on the left. They hate the thought of anyone making money and not sharing it. The hate the fact that we call the Illegal aliens criminals. They hate the fact that if made to work most of those on welfare would riot in the street as those in Greece have. Because that is the same as here the more welfare programs the Dems can institute the move votes they get and the deeper they country goes in to being a nanny state.It’s a proven fact the more you give a person the more they want, and the less they will try to do for themselves.We hate the idea of enlarging the Govt. like the 19K people that will be hired by the IRS to control the Healthcare bill. and thats just a start. Why do you say we hate the gays? Because a majority of most states where the gay rights bills were put on the ballot were voted down? Is that hate or just different beliefs? You have shown hatred towards Sarah Palin, did you agree with the way the media lied about the things they said she did, and was proven innocent of. Or did you agree with the things said about her children. Show me one thing she has said that was never said by a Democrat at one time or another. Hatred how about Bill Ayers? I know gee he really didn’t know him only was in his house served on boards with him etc Ayers is the same as Timothy McVeigh. Just never jailed. Bigotry,how about Rev. Wright? 20years in his church and never heard any thing wrong? Al Sharpton?Jessie Jackson?
The Tea Party those terrible people who protest their feelings. Man we have to stop that kind of thing. How about the people who protested Bush or the war or any other number of things? Mostly Dems. and liberals. But that was ok. How about the mostly illegals protesting the AZ law. thats ok even if they are criminals. Right. You disagree with Ann Coulter but can you show me any thing to prove what she says as not true? The same with Beck he may be crazy but he backs up most of what he says with FACTS that anyone can find on google. But that is something Liberals find hard to do, face facts.
I agree the GOP needs to get their act together. But the party on no? Only because The Dem majority will not compromise on anything.
Your right the Democrats stand for WELFARE the more the better. Big business is bad and evil. Listen to the President and the Speaker. Your main problem was your brother didn’t give your son a job. What if your brother because of teh economy just plain could not afford to do that with out firing someone else? Would that be alright? Seeing as how you believe in welfare and dignity. I’m sure their must be jobs where you live. Where are all those jobs Obama has created?
Your rational about the past Presidents is at least funny, both party’s have changed greatly. Votes are bought and sold (Sen. Nelson) and the will of the people disregarded as with the Healthcare bill check the polls. Now the main objective of both partys is re-election votes so they have a life time job. So you see you letter was just typical liberal retoric.