Debate Tuesday
December 21, 2004
(archived broadcast 
) (.wma download)
Every Tuesday, Mark debates someone with an opposing viewpoint. Today’s guest is the State Chair of the Ohio College Republicans, Ian Ellis.
Topics include the issues raised by the Bush press conference yesterday, the Republican perspective on charges of election fraud in Ohio, and anything else you, our listeners, wish to bring up.
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Vicky December 21, 2004 6:22 pm
No, I am not entirely blaming abortion for the SS problem but the argument has merit.
Skip, so the pregnant women in Iraq are carrying “babies” but the pregnant women in America are carrying “blobs of tissue.”
I am as horrified and dismayed by these atrocities as any of you, but I maintain that there is a war going on in America against our unborn children and the deaths they die are just as gruesome as those that die in war.
“As far as the poor..if we help them, they’ll contribute to society…no one wants to be worthless..” I agree – to a point – but there always have been and always will be people who have their hand out to take, take, take and think nothing of having someone else take care of them.
Skip December 21, 2004 6:20 pm
I’m all for making people work for their welfare. Nothing should be a given away. But that applies to our corporate sector too. Our exploding deficit is not due to these welfare people. Its due to our Bushonian corporate-billionare welfare. There’s a great book called “Barbarians to Bureaucrats”. The author, a self described capitalist, desribes a bell curve that both corporations and societies follow during their lifetimes. The very last terminal stage of this curve is called the Aristocratic stage. In this stage the leaders, who were not involved in the developement of a company (usually inheriting it), are so far removed from reality that they have to resort to things like corporate takeovers to stay afloat. They possess absolutely no creative ability to come up with new solutions, but have absolute power. The author’s suggestion if you find yourself in an aristocratic company: “get out now”. This is analogous to what is happening in our country.
I think one reason the Chineese subsidizes us is because if we go down, the world economy goes down. Why not slowly buy up all the US industries instead. It will happen so slowly that it will not be noticed by the normal person. But they will eventually own us.
This reminds me of something that happened at an aerospace company I used to work for in the recent past (I’m an engineer). I worked on a very high profile weapon system that you can still read about in the papers today. There was one critical piece of technology needed to make these units that was purchased from a US owned company. Well about three years ago a foreign owned company purchased that company. The higher ups at my company protested very strongly to the Pentagon and the purchase was nullified. So much for free enterprise.