SPIES AT THE FBI?

June 14, 2004

(archived broadcast )

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds is under a gag order not to discuss her knowledge of the detailed information Bush had prior to 9/11 that Al Quaeda planned to ram airplanes into U.S. targets.

Even scarier, Attorney General John Ashcroft has put Members of Congress under a gag to prevent them from discussing Sibel Edmonds’ credible charges that there are people working in our translation department in the FBI that tried to recruit her into anti-American organizations.

But that has not stopped Sibel Edmonds from coming on today’s INSIDE SCOOP

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  • ben June 15, 2004 8:34 pm

    Skip,

    Most of my reply was aimed at the fact we really dont know what happens in the govt…

    And top secret clearance gets rechecked every 7 years and perhaps more frequently if you are not working in a top secret area and wish to return. Hanssen had no chance of doing any top secret work at the bureau until he obtained the clearance…or he was in an area where one was not required.

  • Skip June 15, 2004 8:26 pm

    Hey Ben,

    Do you know how long Hanssen had a top secret clearance? He certainly was employeed by the FBI for quite a while. A top secret one takes a long time to obtain and is rechecked very frequently. I know one guy who has been waiting for one for over 3 years and still hasn’t received it yet. I know I can’t state the level of my clearance, if I have one (just covering my ass).

    Do you think Daniel Elsberg was a plant? Who benefitted? I remember Nixon saying he didn’t want to withdrawl from Vietnam as we were doing so.

    The FBI (ie Bush government) planted this story? That’s a real stretch. If so, why are they throwing as many roadblocks up as possible to hushed it up? Is it part of a smoke screen? If so, then I would have to say that everything that comes out of the Bush white house is a smoke screen since it doesn’t make any logical sense. Perhaps the bushies told the world that we want to rid Iraq of the weapons of mass destruction as a cover so that we could, instead, install a democracy. Most of the so called Sibel Edwards “classified info” was in the public domain for 2 years. It was a politically motivated “reclassification”.

  • Ben June 15, 2004 6:36 pm

    Ill have to remind skip Hanssen recieved his Top Secret clearance prior to commiting treason. The fact you even bring this up proves you did not think through your arguement…Ill I have to do is say the system works Hanssen is an example. When you get Top Secret clearance you have to account for all your time…where you were, what you were doing…on top of that you give the govt. the authorization to tap your phones and follow you. They also give you a lie detector test!

    I have a hard time believing anything that goes on in our govt. The fact of the matter is we know exactly what they want us to know…nothing more and often times much less. I wish I knew what actually went on, but I dont and I never will (haveing an earthquake right now, that was my first one…exciting) so for us to sit here and speculate what is happening is practically a waste of time, yet we all still love to do it:)

    So i still believe my first statement is possible and another senerio could be this:

    The govt planting this story, Edwards still works for the FBI. Just think…this could be a way the FBI draws terrorists to them! All of a sudden terrorists are going to be coming to the FBI looking for sources…how much easier can it get? Thats just a wild consperacy theory though…then again…Edwards could be telling the truth…I dont think we will ever know. By the way Im getting tired of everyone screaming for classified information…its classified for a reason, if we ever need to know we will find out. I agree it sucks the govt can classifiy something to thier benifit…but thats the way it has to be in order for them to do thier jobs.

    ps (didnt spell check this in a hurry)

    Ben

  • Osama June 15, 2004 4:07 pm

    It was damn hard for me to get my TOP SECRET clearance–I had to buy a box of Post Toasties.

  • Skip June 15, 2004 2:37 pm

    I just noticed Ben’s contribution. I’ll have to remind him that FBI agent Robert Hanssen was arrested on treason charges just a few years ago. The guy had a top secret clearance.

  • Skip June 15, 2004 1:56 pm

    I wonder if there may be a “fifth” branch (of government) that is emerging. Forget the forth branch, the mainstream press. It’s all bought and payed for, at least here in the states. It will be courageous individuals like Sibel Edwards, the Jersey girls who forced the 911 commission, filmmakers like Michael Moore (look for the new documentary The Hunting of the President), and truely intellectual talk show hosts like Mark that will stir us into action and make this country a democracy again. But they can do only so much. We have to get off our fat butts and do something soon.

  • Ben June 15, 2004 1:23 pm

    Is it possible these agents that have ties to terrorists or these groups she talked about are actually leaking the information to us…and that would mean Sibel is discolsing thier information probably unknown to herself. Not saying this is actually what is happening for sure…but there are 2 sides to every story…i have a hard time believing we have spies in the FBI…I really think they would be aware…if any of you have obtained any type of security clearance its virtually impossible to gain clearance if you have any rifts in your past.

  • RikAtomika June 15, 2004 10:44 am

    Why doesn’t this surprise me. I think maybe some governemnt agencies need some top end shake-up. Some new young leadership, to help revitalize the FBI. I think Ms. Edmonds is very brave and courageous and would like to thank her. The lack separation of powers worries me. I think the only way to fix this is to vote more Dems in so we can start holding committiees and hearings on the problems we are seeing the Republicans are ignoring. Ashcroft is obviously perverting the legal system, which is really scary. It’ like we have our very own gestapo. Now it’s just just not terrorists we have to worry about, but also our own government.

    Rik.
    MN

  • Al Gomas June 15, 2004 5:09 am

    I salute Sibbel Edmonds for becoming one of a new group of American Heroes. I am in awe of her calm and persistent bravery. She has more dignity in her little finger than the whole Bu$h administration combined.
    It is people like her that give me a glimmer of hope in these bleak times. Let’s undo the coup!

  • George Orwell June 14, 2004 8:55 pm

    Sibel Edmonds is perhaps braver than she understands–if she has classified info. in her head that indicts Bush of dereliction of duty in the face of actionable information concerning 911 and links Bush to possible treasonable allegiances to Saudi perpetrators. The cynic would say: the erosion of Democracy in Bush’s Amerika puts her at great personal risk. Others can argue that the ultimate determinant of the U.S. becoming a police state is only a matter of time as “the Press” becomes assimilated by elitist forces, unable and unwilling to truly inform an apathetic electorate.
    As I call myself a patriot–I hope we are not there, yet–and this next election will be a great litmus test in finding out to what extent the American public can be duped. The “M-O” and arrogance of the Bush administration seems to indicate the ship of state is already in dangerous waters.

  • Mark Levine June 14, 2004 4:26 pm

    The short answer is: they can’t according to the Constitution and our laws.

    The longer answer is that such things are determined, in the final analysis, by the courts, and these cases are working their way slowly up the judiciary to the United States Supreme Court which will rule soon on a number of these questions: imprisoning someone as an “enemy combatant” without trial or legal representation; the President’s right to torture; executive privilege; the GAO investigation into the Cheney Energy Task Force you mentioned.

    That’s why it’s vital to have the next President be a Democrat who can appoint honest jurists who respect the law and the Constitution. Because when the President and the Congress are controlled by one lawless political party, only the third branch — the courts — can save us. And that’s why the Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore — allowing America’s first “legal” coup d’etat — is so profoundly troubling.

    In such times where we can’t trust any of thre three branches of government, we have to occasionally rely on the “Fourth” branch, the press.

    And that’s why I’m on air giving THE INSIDE SCOOP.

  • RM NYC June 14, 2004 3:47 pm

    Hello Mark,
    Great to hear you on Air America. I hope they have you back on a more permanent basis.

    Back on topic.
    As your distinguished guest points out, her colleagues are prudently not going to the public media as she did for obvious reasons. It is testament to her bravery. You had also mentioned Ashcroft’s reclassifying of the notorious Abu Graib memo. How do they get away with things like this. I am still confused as to how Cheney slipped the GAO not once but twice from giving up the minutes of his closed-door energy policy meetings right at the beginning of this administration. Being a Constitutional legal scholar, how do they get away with this?
    Thanks,
    RM NYC